The conversation begins with a listener's question about the assassination of Igor Kirillov, a Russian military figure, and its potential to escalate the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Shashank Joshi clarifies that Kirillov was not in charge of nuclear weapons but was involved in chemical warfare, making him a significant target for Ukraine. The discussion highlights Ukraine's effective military and intelligence operations, suggesting they can execute high-level targets when necessary. The foreign minister emphasizes that Ukraine's actions demonstrate their capability to target legitimate military objectives, serving as a deterrent. The conversation also touches on the diplomatic implications, noting that while Ukraine hasn't claimed responsibility, such actions could complicate peace talks. However, the minister argues that Russia is not serious about peace, and Ukraine must be armed to force Russia into negotiations.